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Aubrey de Grey (SENS)
Important: Because I'm interested in having others help me gather information about Aubrey and SENS, I moved the information on this page to a GitHub repository.
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An argument that Mark Zuckerberg may be aware of and funding the research de Grey has been seeking funding for
- Peter Thiel has a significant connection with Aubrey de Grey.
- Peter is the most-prominent supporter of Aubrey de Grey and is probably the first-or-second-most-famous proponent of life extension in Silicon Valley along with Ray Kurzweil.
- Peter Thiel has a significant connection with Mark Zuckerberg.
- Peter was the first outside investor in Facebook and sits on the Facebook Board of Directors.
- The language used by Mark in his statement is similar to that used by Peter and Aubrey.
- Peter Thiel has said that the push to cure aging will tend to be framed as a push to cure certain diseases, and the net effect of that is that it will lead to longer lives. (Source)
- "Well, I don't think there's anything incompatible with indefinite life extension and Christianity. I think that in practice the question will never get framed that way. It will always be framed: "Do you want to cure cancer? Do you want to cure this type of disease or that sort of disease?" So it's not like you're gonna take this pill and you will live forever."
- Aubrey has spoken about how current research is not aggressive enough.
- "We should not limit ourselves today to just those approaches which seem most promising, because they may turn out to not work; we should also also be pursuing much-more ambitious / aggressive approaches." (Source)
Wired.com: On the other hand, cancer is probably going to be the toughest.
de Grey: I feel that’s true, yes.
Wired.com: Yet, it’s already an area with significant funding and research.
de Grey: Well, you’ve got to look at it closely; 99.9 percent is going into ways in which we might delay cancer by 10 years. Which is a fine goal if you don’t expect to delay anything else by 10 years, right? But hello [laughs], it’s no good for me. So, to be perfectly honest, it’s a pretty stupid way of estimating the promise of a therapy in the first place.
Even if things don’t move forward, incrementally they still move forward. And that’s why cancer has now caught up with cardiovascular disease in the U.S. as a cause of death. We need to put a little bit more money into the much more aggressive, longer-term, more ambitious but nevertheless eventually much more effective approaches that need to be explored. In particular, [OncoSENS] is in my view still the only game in town for a real solution to cancer.
- Peter Thiel has said that the push to cure aging will tend to be framed as a push to cure certain diseases, and the net effect of that is that it will lead to longer lives. (Source)
- Larry Page and Sergey Brin are aware of Aubrey de Grey, visited his labs, and started their own attempt (Calico).
- Zuck presumably pays close attention to what Google does, so he's presumably also aware of Aubrey de Grey.
- Zuck's money is apparently going primarily into diseases that afflict westerners rather than those that afflict the poor.
- "The Chan Zuckerberg Initiative will apparently direct three-quarters of its efforts towards heart disease, cancer and neurological disease, the chronic conditions of the west." (Source)
Q: What are the main differences between rich and poor countries with respect to causes of death?
In high-income countries, 7 in every 10 deaths are among people aged 70 years and older. People predominantly die of chronic diseases: cardiovascular diseases, cancers, dementia, chronic obstructive lung disease or diabetes. Lower respiratory infections remain the only leading infectious cause of death. Only 1 in every 100 deaths is among children under 15 years.
In low-income countries, nearly 4 in every 10 deaths are among children under 15 years, and only 2 in every 10 deaths are among people aged 70 years and older. People predominantly die of infectious diseases: lower respiratory infections, HIV/AIDS, diarrhoeal diseases, malaria and tuberculosis collectively account for almost one third of all deaths in these countries. Complications of childbirth due to prematurity, and birth asphyxia and birth trauma are among the leading causes of death, claiming the lives of many newborns and infants. (Source)
- What isn't said in his statement is this: Aging is really just a collection of diseases. So once you "cure all diseases", you've cured the aging process.
- He also frames it in terms of helping his children instead of himself. Which is smart, given the push-back de Grey has gotten to his ideas.
- Interestingly, I can't find any statement by de Grey regarding this announcement.
So...I guess the thing to watch is what research gets funded by the initiative.